J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm – Brockwood Park 1980 – The Ending of Time – Conversation 10 j krishnamurti technology

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J. Krishnamurti & David Bohm – Brockwood Park 1980 – 10: Cosmic order

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Is there an order which is not man-made?

Can the brain ever be free from the impositions, pressures, wounds, bruises, all the trivialities of existence?

Time is my whole existence. I take refuge in the past, which cannot be changed. Why does the brain accept this way of living, and why doesn’t it break it down?

As long as I have my roots in the past there cannot be order.

If the universe is not of time, can the mind which has been entangled in time, unravel itself and so be the universe?

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39 comments

Neocare 2012 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

It’s probably in seeing the fact that the past cannot be dissolved.

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kartforU 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

These interviews are real diamond of YouTube database. But when I saw such a small view on such content I realised humanity is in wrong direction..

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lucky parihar 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

54:45 is cosmos in meditaion?
1:02:27 would a scientist accept such a thing?
1:03:07 universe creates forms which seems relatively constant and thereofore determined by the past

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ishtiaq gardezi 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Brain is free while we sleep. Brain is for body and it must follow a pattern for body to work.

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Core Puncher 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Doesn't the "good" that happens in life, make life worth living? Lets say you are able to forget the past, totally. Why would you want to do that? Lose the memory of you mother? Your children? Sure, in order to have those good memories, there are bad memories, but isn't that simply life? Seems to me in order to get rid of the hurt totally, you must then destroy the duality completely, and that means throwing the baby out with the bath water?

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Marcos 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

14:55 because 1000 years of witch hunting….torturing and humillating people and that hurt in the human mind not only never healed but also now is breeding all kinds of stupidity

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Chela Carias 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Excelente explicación!!!Gracias Gracias Gracias!!!
Felicitaciones y bendiciones

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jamnoise72 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Who is the other guy then?

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Ajb 2020 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Perhaps the way to express this state to another is to do so through love

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Daniele Costa 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

To be distributed in all schools in the world.

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Sylvia Gung 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

"If there is no tomorrow, that is the healthiest living." K says.
"Untangle yourself and become the universe … that is meditation."

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Sylvia Gung 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

K wakes up meditatin.
Cosmic meditation, sun, moon stars plants logs rocks oceans waters … The universe is entirely in meditation … Life is in meditation …
Only those things that went through human deeds,, as conditioning, has lost the ability … because its pursuit of desires create fear and pleasure … And everything around human activities goes through turmoil and can't stand still, can't even have a good night's sleep …

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Sylvia Gung 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

K says, "Be the universe, that is meditation." …!

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Sylvia Gung 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Could it be that the state of meditation come from seriousness about living? When I am all about living and all about letting others live, is it that compassion involved? … could this be the state out from order …?
Contemplating about life … is it meditation? Does contemplating about life without "feeling" or judgement or … is it the state of looking into what is … and lead into the state of meditation …? Would it help me forget about myself?

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Sudhir Dudeja 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Repetition has order as well isn’t ?

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Sylvia Gung 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

The universe is in state of meditation," K says. That could mean that my life should or could entirely be in meditation, to work or move in harmony with the universe … or the Truth or Reality …
Does "meditation" mean "simply being" that is the mind keep existing at the present moment, at work, at home … taking whole responsibility? hmmm … "healthiest way of living" … "That is order, meditation" K says

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Ketan Shukla 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

What are they planning to accomplish practically with this? Sounds like endless boring theoretical rhetoric.

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david rossi fernandez 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

8 por que el 9 es seis para otro

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fadi 6917 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Narayan is just conditioned in this discussion, at last, and he seems sometime to be confused and looses the clue.

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Mohammed Irfan 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Hearing him bring such joy

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Jacob Wojnowski 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

20:50 they speak of the impossibility of giving up the past, and of the strange idea that the future is able to be molded. I believe the past isn’t able to be given up, that much is true, but the present is able to be given up, and that is the whole idea of sacrifice. The past is irretrievable, and the future unknowable, but the present is ours to use and direct, “give up” so to speak, in order to achieve a perceived greater future for ourselves and for us as a whole. It seems the present is the realest among the trinity of time, which is where we occupy ourselves. Perhaps the concepts of the personal God and devil comprise the past and the future. God being the future, what to aim for, what to pursue and seek to please for our advancement and understanding, and the devil the past, like in dealing with trauma and what to look out for to prepare for the future. It’s in the past that traumatic events linger, as well as those blissful memories that, while tempting to remain in a prolonged state of nostalgia for what was, keeps you from pursuing the future, i.e. God. Perhaps I’m wrong, but it seems an interesting concept to me.

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Ornella Miliciani 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Non è possibile continua Bohome a parlare di una cosa Juddi di un altra non potrà condurli questi due matematici hanno la testa piena di nozioni e numeri,

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Ornella Miliciani 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Penso che Krisnamurti, forse, con questi due matematici perda un po di sé stesso, loro per quanto cercano di indagare non comprendono…….

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Sean Dowling 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

does anybody here think it is possible, for language, as we understand it presently, to mature into "pure communication"? That is; everything peripheral to pure, direct, genuine communication, getting pushed out of the process of our maturation as a species, as a consequence of eventuality?

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D 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

I am blessed to have the opportunity to listen to these interviews, bless you all.

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Carlos Alberto De souza 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

a porta esta aberta!a humanidade esta convidada…

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Mohcin Bajja 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

During this discussion, I have had an insight.
I think JK want to say that universe order is in constant movement which occurs only in present moment. Human brain, on the opposite side to universe order, keeps continuously recording what happens as events in memory and creates past, which is non real time in present. Then recorded memories (individual past) define present and also imaginative hypothetical events, which are future. In reality of universe, there is only present moment events but psychologically there is also past and future which are only thoughts or mental images. The "me" is an image built by past memories. let's call what happens in present moment, universe order, and what happens in our brains, brain disorder.
In order to bring about a radical transformation in human beings life, brain must stop catching and recording events as memories and convey with universe order. The challenge is that task can't be done by neither by words, because words refers to mental images recorded in past, nor by thoughts, images, desire… and all past machinery set up in brain.
Maybe it needs silence and attention.

Correct me if I am wrong.

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Mohcin Bajja 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

41:54 "if you are interested vitally in this transformation, you will have the energy". I wonder if this statement means desire or will or self action interest 50:43.
Isn't desire of transformation also a movement of time, of past, of ego wanting to continue in present?
I have seen other videos of JK in which he refuses any action based on desire. I am surprised here.

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Amdemichael Firissa 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Are we both crazy?? i loved it!!!!

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Andrew Ch 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

gets Incredible at the end as always.

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Maurizio Mauricone 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Could it be Krishnamurti wants to formulate the state of the mind – while being alive – when the brain is no longer alive i.e. the moment of dying?

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R Bapat Rishi Chaitanya Ashram Ganaur india 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

It is evident, after listening with complete silence of Mind & Brain – of course not created by thought, that there is Order, Meditation, Insight, Intelligence, Compassion, Love available abundantly but the Instruments of human being i.e. brain, mind & heart and senses, must be made conducive to receive all these automatically or should I say, effortlessly. K already emphasised that we have to be FREE from past i.e. thought & memory and FREE from Thinker, Observer, Experiencer. K also mentioned we must create Foundation first for the Order to take place. In brief, to receive Wi-fi connection, we need proper Mobile Instrument, similarly, Wi-fi of Order etc. is available for all human beings but they must create their own instrument i.e. body, senses, mind, brain & heart in proper Receiving Mode of the Order. Without our instrument is in order, we can only have Idea about Meditation, Order etc. So, we have a BIG work ahead for us but we have to do this work WITHOUT any Motive, Objective and Reward. Thanks for preserving K's Videos and uploading it on YOU-TUBE. Good luck to all such dedicated people.

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bart roberts 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

the human brain even with the aide of the best computers will never be able to understand the order of what IS!Everything that IS real IS so only for a moment then it's gone for good replaced by a brand new moment never before seen ans so the creation goes on!

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stella celeste 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

molto profondo ..grazie

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Master E 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

It really is great how scientific K was, Yet! no science involved. Hmm? No K one is not gone..

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AFelip 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

Please subtitles in spanish

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Rajinder Gill 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

The word Dhayna means attention. This is true meditation. This is going on. One has no role to play into it. If one comes upon it it is the most beautiful thing.

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william reinoso 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

We need words and language to describe states of mind. However, all states are chemical in nature. As human we can only capture the aftermath of the chemistry then try to ascribe it words according to the background. Maybe he realized he is stuck in this loop. As he speaks Cancer cell are taking over him. Not a chance he can experience the chemistry of cancer only the aftermath. Who knows what type of chemical experiences his body is going through that he can't be aware of. I believe he had and insight and this had the possibility of changing humanity. The problem is that his words alone("word is not the thing") couldn't bring about the chemical change to everyone that listen to him. He does hope that eventually if you keep listing something will happen "now" That will bring about a mutation. He lived in hope and died in hope.
Amazing Human.

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Fabian 22/02/2022 - 4:45 Chiều

its rare that im impressed however watching this really would make anyone say wow but have you looked at the site called trevs cosmic tactic just google for it

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